The problem with getting into a digital war of words with someone with OCD is that the discussion never ends.
Fortunately, I'm getting
reinforcements.
[Update - the return fire is arriving from
Mark Shea's blog. Very cool and a big thank you for the reinforcements.]
My latest defense of my review of
"Why I am not a Catholic."
Mr. Finn,
You provided S. Wilder with some very clear and cogent answers to his rant.
Let me observe that dealing with anti-catholic bigots is like playing whack-a-mole: when you respond to one point, they pop up with some other over-done cliche.
So, in the review, I pointed out that Dr. Ruckman repeatedly uses ethnic slurs that we haven't seen since "All in the Family" in the 1970s. S. Wilder tells me I'm "cherry picking." I point out that I'm quoting accurately, but instead of defending Dr. Ruckman, he wants to change ground and talk about Dr. Ruckman's "scholarship." S. Wilder picks as the ground he wants to defend, the ludicrous idea that there were no Catholics in Rome in the First Century. I rebut this point by quoting from a Catholic pope writing in the First Century in terms that are entirely inconsistent with the things that are core to modern Evangelicalism/fundamentalism, e.g., that the earliest church was based on the apostolic succession of bishops. S. Wilder's response is to fire off a screed of cliche anti-catholic tropes that are based on his interpretation of the Bible about Mary and Perpetual Virginity and the Real Presence, none of which have anything to do with Dr. Ruckman's execrably exercise in bigotry.
In short, S. Wilder's argument seems to be, "I think that Catholics are awful people and therefore any slander against them is fair comment, including statements about "wine-headed w*ps" and "Communist p*ll*cks" and the Mother of God working at her "Westinghouse washing machine - and can anyone explain to me what the heck that is supposed to mean, but it sure seems a far cry from "and all generations will call me blessed" (Luke 1:48) - and crowing over the idea of Jackie Kennedy, in emotional shock from seeing the back of her husband's head blown off by a sniper's bullet, with the childish phrase "OOOH RAMA!"
We have not heard a word from Mr. Wilder defending a single quote that I posted directly from Dr. Ruckman's pamphlet.
Now, I'm supposed to respond to every single one of Mr. Wilder's foul balls?
I thank Mr. Finn for stepping into the fray and defending the truth. It's necessary, I think, always and everywhere to respond to slurs of the kind made by Mr. Wilder for the sake of innocents who might read this thread in the future and be deceived by this minor drip in the "Water torture" that is anti-catholic bigotry, with its incessant drip, drip, dripping of falsehoods throughout the culture.
For my part, let me offer a response to some of Mr. Wilder's wild accusations.
But, first, let me point out that Mr. Wilder's accusations are not an argument and they are not grounded in other than his own narrow world view. He quotes from the Bible, but (a) his quotes are often out of context "cherry-picking" and (b) consist of nothing more than his spin - his "private interpretation" - about the meaning of the text. If Mr. Wilder thinks that he can defend Dr. Ruckman by accusing me of "cherry picking," why does he think that he can obligate me to respond to his assertions when he is "cherry picking."
Nonetheless,
1. Bishops. Nothing in scripture requires that a bishop be married. The text quoted by Mr. Wilder says that if a bishop is married, the bishop should have been married no more than once, and if the bishop has children, then children should be well-behaved.
Catholicism does not teach that there is any scriptural requirement that bishops and priests be unmarried. It requires that priests and bishops be unmarried as a regulation and a discipline in light of its experience in dealing with the real world problems of nepotism. That it was recognized from the times of the Apostles as having the right to legislate such rules is seen in the text of Clement that I quoted. The Catholic position would seem to be more consistent with the Bible than is found in many Protestant churches that permit divorced and remarried pastors, or, recently, pastors engaged in active homosexual relationships, whether or those relationships are categorized by the state as "marriage."
2. Historical record of the Catholic Church in Rome. However, my point was that there was a Pope in Rome in the First Century. In the letter of Clement, we see a Pope giving counsel/instruction to the Church in Corinth, while at least one Apostle was alive. That Pope is specifically referring to his authority and the authority of those appointed by the Apostle as coming from the Apostles as part of an Apostolic plan of succession.
3. Perpetual Virginity. Mr. Wilder naively quotes various scriptural sources on the "brothers" of Jesus without thinking the issue through. If he did, he would realize that his argument means that he has to reject the doctrine of the virgin birth to argue that Jesus had "brothers."
Simply put, if the virgin birth is true, Jesus could not have had "brothers." The best he could have had was "step-brothers" or "half-brothers" because Joseph could not have been, and was not, Jesus' natural father. So, under the best case scenario for Mr. Wilder, the term "brother" can not be taken as a literal description of Jesus' relationship to the people who are described as his "brothers," which means that the word "brother" is an inaccurate description of that relationship, and we cannot naively quote from Bible as if the word "brother" answered the question. Quite simply, since "brother" means a relationship where siblings have a common mother and father, people who argue that the use of the term "brother" means that the doctrine of the perptual virginity of Mary is wrong are importing quite a few assumptions into their claim, and swallowing camels and ignoring gnats at the same time.
Mr. Finn points out the linguistic argument. There is a textual argument as well. Go through the narratives and notice that two of Jesus' ostensible "brothers" are in fact identified as the sons of someone other than the Mother of Jesus, also note in the Epistle of Jude that Jude's relationship to one of his brothers is actually identified as being something else.
I think that I have spent enough time for now on Mr. Wilder's screed.