Friday, February 22, 2013


The pre-emptive smearing starts.

An Unbelievable? atheist posted a Huffington Post article with the headline "Pope Contender Cardinal Peter Turkson says no priest sex abuse in Africa because of anti-gay laws."

One small problem is that in the article, Cardinal Turkson says no such thing.  Here's the pertinent passage:


Cardinal Turkson is currently the second favourite to be the next pontiff, and had been championed by progressives who have urged the Vatican to elect the first African pope.
Cardinal Angelo Scola of Milan is currently favourite to succeed Benedict XVI.
In an interview with CNN, when asked about whether it was possible the Catholic sex abuse scandal could happen in Africa, the cardinal said it would not happen, "to the same extent or proportion as we have seen in Europe"
He continued: "African traditional systems kind of protect or have protected its population against this tendency.
“Because in several communities, in several cultures in Africa homosexuality or for that matter any affair between two sexes of the same kind, are not countenanced in our society.
"So that cultural taboo, that tradition has been there. It has served to keep it out.”

So I posted the following under the original post: 


Isn't that headline misleading?
If you read the article, Turkson is actually quoted as follows:  
//"In an interview with CNN, when asked about whether it was possible the Catholic sex abuse scandal could happen in Africa, the cardinal said it would not happen, "to the same extent or proportion as we have seen in Europe"//
So he doesn't say "no sex abuse," he says less sex abuse, which may be true in countries that execute pedophiles who are in a position of leadership. 
Why do you think the HuffPo misrepresents things about a Catholic Cardinal?

Operating from the Internet Atheist Playbook, here was a response:


In an interview with CNN, when asked about whether it was possible the Catholic sex abuse scandal could happen in Africa, the cardinal said it would not happen, he said, “"to the same extent or proportion as we have seen in Europe." He continued: "African traditional systems kind of protect or have protected its population against this tendency...because in several communities, in several cultures in Africa homosexuality or for that matter any affair between two sexes of the same kind, are not countenanced in our society. So that cultural taboo, that tradition has been there. It has served to keep it out.” HuffingtonPost.

Now let’s just unwind that statement: the child sex abuse scandal wasn’t one of homosexuality but one of paedophilia, according to the John Jay Report commissioned by the Catholic Church 73.3% of all American cases of abuse by priests involved children of 14 or under, and that’s not including the cases involving Catholic laity. The situation in Europe is very similar. The deliberate and malicious conflation of homosexuality with paedophilia has been deplored by all of the medical and scientific community as being completely wrong. In addition, the Cardinal seems unaware that a great many girls were abused by Catholic clergy, are we then to similarly deplore heterosexuality among the priesthood because it leads to the abuse of girls?

Cardinal Tirkson also gravely misrepresented African culture with regard to the acceptance of same-sex relationships. Since he must be a highly educated man he will know that he wasn’t telling the truth about same-sex relationships in traditional African culture which, prior to the arrival of European colonisers and their Christian missionaries, was common across the continent and is exceptionally well documented by African and European sources, including the missionaries who tried so hard to stamp it out.

Why do you think Cardinal Turkson found it necessary to lie? And why is the senior cardinal in the British Isles, Cardinal O’Brien, a prominent campaigner against gay rights, calling for an African cardinal to be the next pope? Answers on a postcard to the ‘Society for Telling Lies to Protect the Catholic Church from the Crimes for which it is Righty Accused.’//

My response:



//So, nobody can actually show me where Cardinal Peter Turkson Says there was "no Priest Sex Abuse In Africa Because Of Anti-Gay Laws." 

I see a lot of spinning about other statements that don't says anything like "no Priest Sex Abuse In Africa Because Of Anti-Gay Laws." 

Charles Bishop takes Turkson to task for Turkson's statements about "African traditional systems" as protecting against the same extent of minor abuse as in Europe, but he didn't talk about "anti-gay laws" in that passage, and he didn't talk about "no priest sex abuse", although that is what the headline claims. So, HuffPo is, again, lying.

I don't expect you true believers to see this. The cognitive dissonance would probably kill you.
Speaking of cognitive dissonance, Charles continues to spin on about his 76% of victims were 14 and under. Fine, under Charles' arbitrary ad hoc standard, that leave 1 in 4 boys who were victims of homosexuals who were not clinical pedophiles. 

Or if you accept the industry standard - the DSM IV - and include the 14 year olds among the group that falls outside of the definition of pedophilia, that number climbs to 40% of boys who were molested by homosexuals who were not clinically pedophile. 

But can any of you explain to me why a country with a law that would execute a priest for molesting a boy under 18 wouldn't in fact have fewer such molestations?
And:



It is really quite simple: We are now at round 3 and you all refuse to admit that the HuffPo's headline is a lie and that you can't show where Turkson said what they say he said.
Atheists - smearing people for the cause since 2002. 

1 comment:

John Kasaian said...

Except the Turkson wouldn't be the first African Pope!
The LAST African Pope was St. Gelasius elected in 492, who not only made Pope but Saint as well. Sheesh! Journalists are such dweebs!

 
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