Showing posts with label Incest in America. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Incest in America. Show all posts

Tuesday, August 09, 2016

I am SO not going to be behind the curve on this issue!!!

What do you have against "love"?

Equal rights for people who are genetically programmed to commit incest.

//CLOVIS, N.M. — A mother and son from New Mexico face jail time after their incestuous relationship was revealed earlier this year.

Monica Mares, 36, and Caleb Peterson, 19, appeared in court back in February when police learned of their relationship while investigating an “affray” near Mares’ home.

“Caleb admitted to having a sexual relationship with Monica whom he knows to be his biological mother,” police said in a criminal complaint obtained by the Clovis News Journal.

A “no contact” order was issued in February. The mother and son made a court appearance in March after that order was violated.

The mother and son both now face a jury trial in September. Peterson and Mares could each face up to three years in prison if convicted of incest charges, according to the paper.

The story is getting international attention after they recently talked to the Daily Mail about their relationship. The mother and son said they hope their story will raise awareness of Genetic Sexual Attraction (GSA).//


Thursday, April 04, 2013


I thought only conservatives made this kind of comparison!

Apparently, there is at least one Columbia professor who thinks that incest can be equated to homosexuality...but in "the good way."

The lawyer representing a professor charged with incest with his 24-year-old daughter has questioned why the alleged affair has been made public. 
David Epstein was charged last week with one count of incest for what was allegedly a consensual three-year sexual relationship with his daughter.
The political science professor at Columbia University, 46, allegedly slept with her between 2006 and 2009.
Epstein, who specialises in American politics and voting rights, is also said to have exchanged twisted text messages with the woman during their relationship. 
Matthew Galluzzo, defending Epstein, has said that even though his daughter had emerged as a victim in the case, she could 'best be described as an accomplice'. 
He told ABCNews.com: 'Academically, we are obviously all morally opposed to incest and rightfully so. 
'At the same time, there is an argument to be made in the Swiss case to let go what goes on privately in bedrooms. 
'It's ok for homosexuals to do whatever they want in their own home. How is this so different? 
'We have to figure out why some behaviour is tolerated and some is not.'


So, let's be rational about this:
It's about love?  - Check


Consenting adults? - Check

Can we question whether it's really a choice? - Check

Privacy of own bedroom - Check

Looks like he's good to go.


Thursday, December 23, 2010

So, why can't a father marry his daughter, I mean, if they really love each other?

John Zmirak enjoys a moment of schadenfreude:

The event that's tempting me to make like Tertullian and pop myself some popcorn while I watch the souls in hell is the very public scandal of Columbia professor (and Huffington Post blogger) David Epstein. First, let me lay out why I'm inclined to detest the man: He is the icon of leftist academic self-righteousness, the kind of Ivy League teacher who sneers at the Bible readers, homeschoolers, gun owners, and pro-lifers who keep this country livable. And he does so in the language of high moral dudgeon. Witness his response when Sarah Palin -- who's certainly flawed, and I've criticized her myself -- decided to resign as Alaska governor: "Palin has done what weak, self-centered people do when the going gets tough -- they quit and blame someone else." (Hat tip to Robert Stacy McCain.) Epstein elsewhere accused conservatives of "taking hypocrisy in their personal lives to new levels of self-indulgent weirdness."


This week, we have learned just a little of what Professor Epstein means by "self-indulgent weirdness," as news came out that Epstein has for three years been having an affair with his own daughter -- his biological daughter, whom he raised himself. The young woman's mother is also a professor at Columbia. I am relieved to report that she is not standing by her man.

Now facing a jail term for his actions, Epstein hired an attorney who made the kind of arguments we should by now realize are obvious: The young woman was over 18, she wasn't coerced, so what's the harm? What right does the state have to interfere? As Epstein's lawyer told the Huffington Post, "What goes on between consenting adults in private should not be legislated. That is not the proper domain of our law . . . . If we assume for a moment that both parties are consenting, then why are we prosecuting this?"

Swiss activists agree: There's a law under consideration in that once-sane country decriminalizing incestuous relations among adults: brothers and sisters, and parents and children. Such laws are already on the books in China, France, Israel, the Ivory Coast, the Netherlands, Russia, Spain, and Turkey, according to ABCNews.com.

This side of the ocean, secular news sources are actually connecting the dots between this case and the 2003 Supreme Court decision striking down Texas's (long unenforced) sodomy laws. Family law expert Joanna Grossman told ABCNews.com that the decision in Lawrence v. Texas meant that states cannot prohibit "private, consensual, sexual or intimate conduct that does not involve minors or coercion." I'm glad they're making the connection, because when conservatives say things like that, they're dismissed as alarmist cranks. Sen. Rick Santorum, whose defense of natural law I discussed last week, said ruefully during his talk at the Harvard Club that he was one of the few Republicans in Congress who warned where the Lawrence decision might lead: "I said that this ruling made gay marriage inevitable, and I caught a lot of heat for that. Sometimes you hate to find out that you were right."

Even Santorum wasn't alarmist enough to see legalized incest on the horizon, but Epstein's attorney is right: If our Constitution (as reshaped in the warm hands of activist judges) has morphed into a document that protects every form of private, consensual activities among adults, there is literally no basis for punishing a man like Epstein. Squirming frantically, psychologists consulted on this story are trying to find some way to assert that every form of incest, even among adults, is "inherently coercive" because of the lingering "power differential" between, say, a father and a daughter. Their arguments won't prevail. You can't infantilize an adult that way; grown children defy their parents all the time and in all sorts of ways. I distinctly remember fighting with my elderly mother over the remote control, trying my best to turn off The Jerry Springer Show, to which she was addicted. I'm confident I could have fought her off, if things had gotten even weirder . . .
Zmirak also added this observation about the "slippery slope" of natural law theory:

My old friend Br. Andre Marie was at the same event and heard Professor Hadley Arkes' brilliant discourse on natural law. He went up to Arkes -- a recent convert from Judaism -- and asked him about the connection between natural law and revelation: "'Do you know anyone who defends the natural law, who is not a Catholic?' His response was 'Yes . . . but they eventually become Catholics.'" That led Brother Andre to investigate what the Church teaches about this linkage, and he found in St. Thomas Aquinas a perceptive observation: While the general outlines of natural law are clear to the honest thinker, original sin tends to make us fuzzy about the details: "The natural law can be blotted out from the human heart, either by evil persuasions, just as in speculative matters errors occur in respect of necessary conclusions; or by vicious customs and corrupt habits, as among some men, theft, and even unnatural vices, as the Apostle states (Romans 1), were not esteemed sinful." Because of our weakness and sinfulness, we really do need the Church to clarify and sometimes to defend (almost alone) the contents of natural law. God gives us the Church's teaching authority as an act of mercy to help us in our weakness -- since not all men are philosophers, and not all philosophers are honest.

Wednesday, December 15, 2010

Incest - it's not just for Arkansas anymore.

Switzerland considers the elimination of incest laws.

Monday, December 13, 2010

Greasing that slippery slope all the way down to "heroin-induced necrophilia."

The Volokh Conspiracy asks the obvious questions about adult incest pace the Lawrence v. Texas decision:

(1) Should it be illegal, and, if so, exactly why? Is it just because it’s immoral? Because legalizing incest would, by making a future sexual relationship more speakable and legitimate, potentially affect the family relationship even while the child is underage (the view to which I tentatively incline)? Because it involves a heightened risk of birth defects (a view I’m skeptical about, given that we don’t criminalize sex by carriers of genes that make serious hereditary disease much more likely than incest does)?


(2) Given Lawrence v. Texas — and similar pre–Lawrence decisions in several states, applying their state constitutions — what exactly is the basis for outlawing incest? Is it that bans on gay sex are irrational but bans on adult incest are rational, and rationality is all that’s required for regulations of adult sex? Is it that bans on gay sex don’t pass strict scrutiny (or some such demanding test) but bans on adult incest do? Is it that Lawrence rested on the fact that bans on gay sex largely foreclose all personally meaningful sexual relationships for those who are purely homosexual in orientation, whereas incest bans only foreclose a few possible sexual partners? UPDATE: For court cases on this, see here (stepfather-stepdaughter) and here (brother-sister).

And if adult incest is hunky-dory, then why not incestuous marriages?

Or necrophiliac marriages?

Once again, let's thank liberalism for raising questions that don't deserve to be raised.
 
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